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Feb 27, 2019 7:16 PM

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Demyx_IX said:
If I remember right, in episode 6, along with the carriage that was the prize for saving the village from Motoyasu's and Myne's outlandish taxes, the governor gave Naofumi a traveling merchant permit, which allows him go from village to village without having to pay a toll to enter, and sell his goods. It's an easy thing to miss given that it wasn't made clear what its meant for in the episode.

I remember that, but I thought it was just to get around the tolls. Guess I was wrong about that. Still, if they wanted to make it look like Naofumi was facing some kind of adversity at this point of the story it seems like the powers that be would try to stop him from operating his business - you know, punish people that trade with him, that sort of thing. Standard villain stuff.

Demyx_IX said:
I'm not defending the reasoning/logic of why there's hardly any deaths in the series for the heroes side, but there are other ways of having a series/story turn to darker themes than just death.

I'm talking specifically about fakeout deaths where you get the emotional impact of death without any of the consequences. Having your cake and eating it too, in other words.
Feb 27, 2019 7:33 PM

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SSL443 said:
Demyx_IX said:
If I remember right, in episode 6, along with the carriage that was the prize for saving the village from Motoyasu's and Myne's outlandish taxes, the governor gave Naofumi a traveling merchant permit, which allows him go from village to village without having to pay a toll to enter, and sell his goods. It's an easy thing to miss given that it wasn't made clear what its meant for in the episode.

I remember that, but I thought it was just to get around the tolls. Guess I was wrong about that. Still, if they wanted to make it look like Naofumi was facing some kind of adversity at this point of the story it seems like the powers that be would try to stop him from operating his business - you know, punish people that trade with him, that sort of thing. Standard villain stuff.

Demyx_IX said:
I'm not defending the reasoning/logic of why there's hardly any deaths in the series for the heroes side, but there are other ways of having a series/story turn to darker themes than just death.

I'm talking specifically about fakeout deaths where you get the emotional impact of death without any of the consequences. Having your cake and eating it too, in other words.


Yeah, the anime didn't do a good job of explaining that, and you make an excellent point about the whole stopping him from doing business. From what I remember of book 2, to prevent people from figuring out who was actually making/selling the goods, Raphtalia would do all the sales while Naofumi hid in the cart. That way, even if there was a plan like that in place, people would only be on the lookout for Naofumi selling things, not Raphtalia. And people would only see him if they had hired them for a ride, like the accessory dealer did, or if someone needed medicine. Obviously, none of that was covered by the anime, which is unfortunate to say the least.
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It's not plot armor when Firo got swallowed whole into a stomach that's not really functional like a live one would have. If you guys watch again there are several open wounds near the belly where Firo was so she could still be able to breathe without any difficulty.
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Feb 27, 2019 7:46 PM

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Janethan23 said:
It's not plot armor when Firo got swallowed whole into a stomach that's not really functional like a live one would have. If you guys watch again there are several open wounds near the belly where Firo was so she could still be able to breathe without any difficulty.

The plot armor was when she didn't get chewed into a feathery pulp on the way down.
Feb 27, 2019 8:47 PM

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It's bullshit that Filo survived, but I don't want her to die, so I guess it evens out.
Feb 27, 2019 9:05 PM

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Hmm? So, you care about them, and you even deleted them! Hahahaa that's pathetic! Heard about a thing called ACCEPTING criticism? Probably haven't... I said I won't reply to you in THAT thread, this one is a completely different matter, since the contents of the discussion differentiate.


No, what's 'pathetic' is someone deciding to write something inflammatory on someone's profile, knowing full well that they had no way to respond. It's also quite cowardly to, wanting to do something like that without the fear of what their response will be. Honestly, you're lucky that I made the mistake of deleting the messages before the admins could see what you had written. Who knows if we'd even be here arguing about this, AGAIN. By the way, nothing you wrote on my profile could be considered criticism in the slightest bit.

But hey, just goes to show how childish and immature you are by bringing the drama from the other thread here. Especially since I was more than willing discuss what you had written about this week's episode.

inb4 you blame me for making you look like the bad guy, and not taking responsibility for your actions. Just like in the other thread's discussion.

SSL443 said:

The plot armor was when she didn't get chewed into a feathery pulp on the way down.


Pretty much this, I really don't understand why the dragon didn't chew up a 6 foot tall, overweight not!chocobo.
Reptiles swallow their food. Look it up.
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Feb 27, 2019 9:12 PM

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Janethan23 said:
Reptiles swallow their food. Look it up.

It's a dragon in a story, comparisons with biology are invalid.
Feb 27, 2019 9:26 PM
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When you start adding a wacky loli mascot, silly love triangle elements into a show with a darker foundation on top of conflicts that has no tension, its not a winning combination ( The curse shield looked good though )
Feb 27, 2019 9:38 PM

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Well lol. First half was okay but the dragon fight was lazy as hell. Having Filo eat her way out was super cliche and boring. Chaos shield is just dull AF. Basically an "oh shit" button main character can hit to save himself. Really boring and lazy way to write battles. Usually authors and mangaka rely on such a thing because they can't write up more interesting battle tactics and what not. 2nd half just felt really dragged out but they probably couldn't fit anything else important in. If they started the next section they would've had to end it at a really lame cliff hanger so dragging this out was probably not a bad idea.
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oh my god!
i have no more words to say!
this is the best episode as of yet!
CLAP CLAP CLAP! i'm crying because the whole episode is magnificent!
10/5!!!


Feb 27, 2019 10:17 PM

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Janethan23 said:
Demyx_IX said:


No, what's 'pathetic' is someone deciding to write something inflammatory on someone's profile, knowing full well that they had no way to respond. It's also quite cowardly to, wanting to do something like that without the fear of what their response will be. Honestly, you're lucky that I made the mistake of deleting the messages before the admins could see what you had written. Who knows if we'd even be here arguing about this, AGAIN. By the way, nothing you wrote on my profile could be considered criticism in the slightest bit.

But hey, just goes to show how childish and immature you are by bringing the drama from the other thread here. Especially since I was more than willing discuss what you had written about this week's episode.

inb4 you blame me for making you look like the bad guy, and not taking responsibility for your actions. Just like in the other thread's discussion.



Pretty much this, I really don't understand why the dragon didn't chew up a 6 foot tall, overweight not!chocobo.
Reptiles swallow their food. Look it up.
I know they do, do you know what they don't do? Other than snakes, they don't swallow something whole that makes their neck/throat bulge out to nearly twice its original size. They also don't catch something that would be a tight fit in their mouth, without biting into it. LOOK IT UP

I am a staunch defender of the series and it's writing, just ask SSL that, but that shit? That shit was stupid as fuck. At least with the LN I could picture the dragon with a huge ass mouth/neck

Feb 27, 2019 10:20 PM
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Dang, this episodes are always a treat to watch, sadly the progression is kinda slow, it seems this series is going at a larger scale.

Feb 27, 2019 10:23 PM

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Is no one worried about the title of the next episode, "Melty"? Hate that bitch.


That will be an introduction story but she did not including during the second wave
Feb 27, 2019 10:48 PM
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What tf is up with the CGI in this episode?
Feb 27, 2019 10:53 PM
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SSL443 said:
Janethan23 said:
It's not plot armor when Firo got swallowed whole into a stomach that's not really functional like a live one would have. If you guys watch again there are several open wounds near the belly where Firo was so she could still be able to breathe without any difficulty.

The plot armor was when she didn't get chewed into a feathery pulp on the way down.

Filolials are rivals of dragons you can assume they are almost equal interns of power.
1000 year old Filolials = 1000 year old dragon
It's a bit of a spoiler but that how it is.
Feb 27, 2019 10:56 PM

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Kougeru said:
Well lol. First half was okay but the dragon fight was lazy as hell. Having Filo eat her way out was super cliche and boring. Chaos shield is just dull AF. Basically an "oh shit" button main character can hit to save himself. Really boring and lazy way to write battles. Usually authors and mangaka rely on such a thing because they can't write up more interesting battle tactics and what not. 2nd half just felt really dragged out but they probably couldn't fit anything else important in. If they started the next section they would've had to end it at a really lame cliff hanger so dragging this out was probably not a bad idea.


It's not really an 'oh shit' button, as 'oh shit' buttons, don't make you go berserk and hurt even your allies. There is a risk in using it haphazardly just because he finds himself to be in a jam.
Feb 27, 2019 11:00 PM
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they don’t put enough umph into the fight scenes. also filos “death” was suppose to be his fault
Feb 27, 2019 11:00 PM

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SSL443 said:

The plot armor was when she didn't get chewed into a feathery pulp on the way down.

Filolials are rivals of dragons you can assume they are almost equal interns of power.
1000 year old Filolials = 1000 year old dragon
It's a bit of a spoiler but that how it is.


That's not the point that he's making, the rivalry between dragons and filolials has nothing to do with why Filo was swallowed whole, without getting pierced by the dragon's teeth.
Feb 27, 2019 11:04 PM
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So-so episode, sadly.

Last few episodes haven’t really clicked in for me and this didn’t either. Initial concept of the show was interesting, to say the least, despite its apparent flaws but it had a bit of originality to itself which now seems to be deviating to an SAO-like take. I feel like the timing of these filler-ish episodes have been awful and here’s to hoping we get back to the main plot line soon next episodes. I’m hoping the next couple or so episodes will change this impression of mine but honestly not too hopeful here.

Filo’s whole fake-out death scene should’ve honestly been handled better, zooming in and playing it slower frame by frame clearly suggests that Filo should’ve at least been injured but she seemed to be unscathed at the end. Moreover, the whole fight just felt off for some reason, the curse shield kicking in just didn’t feel ‘right’ in terms of the timing and Naofumi taking control over it was a little too haphazard for my liking too. CGI Dragon wasn’t the most impressive but it was fine enough to just about do the job. I wonder why this ‘Zombie’ Dragon has not regenerated back its belly though, it clearly regenerated at the start of the battle. Some depressing display of the disease though, that was a good job there, and some nice bonding scenes between the characters too. Naofumi is as dense as ever though, lol.

As manga/light novel readers have already pointed out, things do indeed feel rushed even for an anime-only, such as I. Skimming through the important bits are already hurting but it’ll really hurt even more in the long run as things get more intense.
yes that's because they cut a lot of drama in this episode, even music isn't as good as episode 4


Yeah, I agree. Sloppy episode, to say the least.
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This episode was dissapointing honestly... Predictable and we didn't even get to see the power of his shield he just burned dragons tail a bit... After all that buildup and high hopes after that 1v1 duel and great episodes so far it just didn't felt on par with the previous events.. :/
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Demyx_IX said:
2ego said:


Hmm? So, you care about them, and you even deleted them! Hahahaa that's pathetic! Heard about a thing called ACCEPTING criticism? Probably haven't... I said I won't reply to you in THAT thread, this one is a completely different matter, since the contents of the discussion differentiate.


No, what's 'pathetic' is someone deciding to write something inflammatory on someone's profile, knowing full well that they had no way to respond. It's also quite cowardly to, wanting to do something like that without the fear of what their response will be. Honestly, you're lucky that I made the mistake of deleting the messages before the admins could see what you had written. Who knows if we'd even be here arguing about this, AGAIN. By the way, nothing you wrote on my profile could be considered criticism in the slightest bit.

But hey, just goes to show how childish and immature you are by bringing the drama from the other thread here. Especially since I was more than willing discuss what you had written about this week's episode.

inb4 you blame me for making you look like the bad guy, and not taking responsibility for your actions. Just like in the other thread's discussion.

SSL443 said:

The plot armor was when she didn't get chewed into a feathery pulp on the way down.


Pretty much this, I really don't understand why the dragon didn't chew up a 6 foot tall, overweight not!chocobo.

It's a zombie dragon not a dragon.
1. They don't get hungry the dragon was reanimated was due to a fragment of dragon core which has the conscious of one of the four sacred beasts Great dragon refused to die in hands of a human.
2. The anime overdid it when it comes to design of zombie dragon. It still has rotten flesh and torn body and no metabolic system to dissolve filo.
Feb 27, 2019 11:11 PM

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Dhyan_manu said:
It's a zombie dragon not a dragon.
1. They don't get hungry the dragon was reanimated was due to a fragment of dragon core which has the conscious of one of the four sacred beasts Great dragon refused to die in hands of a human.
2. The anime overdid it when it comes to design of zombie dragon. It still has rotten flesh and torn body and no metabolic system to dissolve filo.

So why the hell did it swallow her? If it was to kill her, that makes it even more unlikely that it wouldn't have torn her up.
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dakenzi97 said:
This episode was dissapointing honestly... Predictable and we didn't even get to see the power of his shield he just burned dragons tail a bit... After all that buildup and high hopes after that 1v1 duel and great episodes so far it just didn't felt on par with the previous events.. :/

Don't worry you will see it's full power during next wave. If they had shown it now it would decrease the epicness of shield of rage 2.

SSL443 said:
Dhyan_manu said:
It's a zombie dragon not a dragon.
1. They don't get hungry the dragon was reanimated was due to a fragment of dragon core which has the conscious of one of the four sacred beasts Great dragon refused to die in hands of a human.
2. The anime overdid it when it comes to design of zombie dragon. It still has rotten flesh and torn body and no metabolic system to dissolve filo.

So why the hell did it swallow her? If it was to kill her, that makes it even more unlikely that it wouldn't have torn her up.

As I said it doesn't have intelligence to chew and swallow something it's just a walking corpse. If filo was a bit bigger enough that it couldn't swallow then it would definitely chew it like any other zombie would have.
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I was expecting something better, atleast it wasnt as boring as the last EP, but with the episode title of curse shield I expected more drama.

So its confirmed all the other heroes are idiots.

Also, this has been buggin me for a while, but now they actually talked about getting stronger. Why does he care more about money than grinding exp? As I see it he should be spending 95% of his time leveling up to be safe. Why is he suddenly acting as if he only cares about money? Is the leveling part implied but skipped? I guess farming mob would be boring, but atleast talk about it please.

Also, raphi ages with her level, will she look like a granny at lvl 100? Will she look like a Jojo character at lvl 100? Doesnt she actually age anymore and that was just 5 minutes of convenient writing or "Araki forgot"?

I really want this series to be special, the feel good isekai is already slime, so this should be the mature one.

But well its barely half of a cour so far, I guess we have room to improve, or rather go back to where it started. Im really glad this gets 2 cours, otherwise this would probably sort of suck.

PS: do only the heroes see the world with an UI overlay? Or donother characters get that as well and nobody talks about it because its normal?
1. He stil needs to pay for lodgings and food and clothes 2. There some limits on how much you can farm exp . For going beyond a certain level you need cash 3. Naofumi has little offense power so he must rely heavily on his team. Thus he needs to have them equiped with the latest weapons and armor. Going against a high level monster with low rank equipment wont do. Remember that Raphtalia weapons do not level up while she gains exp.
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Dhyan_manu said:
Demyx_IX said:


No, what's 'pathetic' is someone deciding to write something inflammatory on someone's profile, knowing full well that they had no way to respond. It's also quite cowardly to, wanting to do something like that without the fear of what their response will be. Honestly, you're lucky that I made the mistake of deleting the messages before the admins could see what you had written. Who knows if we'd even be here arguing about this, AGAIN. By the way, nothing you wrote on my profile could be considered criticism in the slightest bit.

But hey, just goes to show how childish and immature you are by bringing the drama from the other thread here. Especially since I was more than willing discuss what you had written about this week's episode.

inb4 you blame me for making you look like the bad guy, and not taking responsibility for your actions. Just like in the other thread's discussion.



Pretty much this, I really don't understand why the dragon didn't chew up a 6 foot tall, overweight not!chocobo.

It's a zombie dragon not a dragon.
1. They don't get hungry the dragon was reanimated was due to a fragment of dragon core which has the conscious of one of the four sacred beasts Great dragon refused to die in hands of a human.
2. The anime overdid it when it comes to design of zombie dragon. It still has rotten flesh and torn body and no metabolic system to dissolve filo.

1. I know that it was a zombie dragon, and why it reanimated itself without any outside interference. I read the LN.
2. That actually hurts your reasoning more than help it.
Feb 27, 2019 11:22 PM

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Omg whats with people wishing for filo to die? What sick fetish do you guys have? This ep was way better then the manga just wished the fight were longer but this isnt a shonen they dont have the time and this was basically a teaser for the curse shield it wasnt even fully powered up yet.

Some people dont understand his hate. What not to understand? He hates this world for summoning him and throw him to the trash and having his only 2 people that he can trust die in front of him and for what? Just to clean other heroes screw ups? To help a country who demonized him? If he doesnt get mad at that he really is a saint.

I really liked this episode and i cant wait for more specialy when the other heroes learn on what naofumi ben doing

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Omg whats with people wishing for filo to die? What sick fetish do you guys have? This ep was way better then the manga just wished the fight were longer but this isnt a shonen they dont have the time and this was basically a teaser for the curse shield it wasnt even fully powered up yet.

Some people dont understand his hate. What not to understand? He hates this world for summoning him and throw him to the trash and having his only 2 people that he can trust die in front of him and for what? Just to clean other heroes screw ups? To help a country who demonized him? If he doesnt get mad at that he really is a saint.

I really liked this episode and i cant wait for more specialy when the other heroes learn on what naofumi ben doing


The people do not want Filo to die, we wants the anime to be constant with his tone since at first he showed how the protagonist suffered a huge injustice without any reason, BUT now everything goes very well and beautiful, it's like the goblin slayer that kind of anime that the first episode is a clickbait so that people get hooked only so that after so that later forget about that and go down a more generic path
Firo is really OP. Is not about people not wanting her to die.

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SSL443 said:
Comander-07 said:
Also, this has been buggin me for a while, but now they actually talked about getting stronger. Why does he care more about money than grinding exp? As I see it he should be spending 95% of his time leveling up to be safe. Why is he suddenly acting as if he only cares about money? Is the leveling part implied but skipped? I guess farming mob would be boring, but atleast talk about it please.

They also need to make a living, as well as buy gear. And since the kingdom has cut off all support they have no other income, unlike the other heroes.

Narratively it makes sense, but to be honest watching him go around in a cart skrimping for every spare penny he can get is sorta boring. I'm surprised that he hasn't been given trouble by the merchants guild, or fined for operating without a business license, or whatever.

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Also, raphi ages with her level, will she look like a granny at lvl 100? Will she look like a Jojo character at lvl 100? Doesnt she actually age anymore and that was just 5 minutes of convenient writing or "Araki forgot"?

Convenient writing. The timescale is so compressed in this series that she needs to basically grow up overnight in order to be strong enough to fight the first waves.
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Please. He's "suffered" little to none. Even in the first episode, the armorer confronts him about the alleged rape and gives him some clothes. So he doesn't even start with nothing. Then it shows him camping outside of town, but it's a Mediterranean climate so it's not like he's in danger from cold or exposure. Within days he's making money selling stuff to the point he can repay his debt to the armorer and splurge on a slave. The only stigma he faces is a bit of muttering behind his back. Now, he's known better for being something to do with a Hallowed Chicken or whatever, than he ever was for being a rapist. Oh, the indignity of it all!

Bottom line, this show has done a horrible, horrible job at portraying anywhere near the degree of suffering or trauma that is implied by Naofumi flipping out and going full emo.


But he's not desperate. He can shove whatever shit he likes into his shield and make medicine, spermicide, or who knows what else. I'm surprised he can't make a full home-cooked Japanese meal with it by now.


He needs to survive in the waves so he needs money to buy some gear for Filo and Raphtalia, he is desparate to survive during wave attacks. If you think that the Cursed shield is OP you're dead wrong, if that shield is OP it will obliterate that dragon in a Shield bash.
He has a business licence of sorts. Remember the fat dude merchant.
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Mediocre episode bit at least better than last week
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As I said it doesn't have intelligence to chew and swallow something it's just a walking corpse. If filo was a bit bigger enough that it couldn't swallow then it would definitely chew it like any other zombie would have.

More headcanon and asspull explanations that are not given anywhere in the actual show.

I could just as well say that zombies like brains so it should have split her skull open and sucked out the goop inside and make as much sense as what you're talking about.
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That's not desperation. Please go look up what it means and then get back to me with specific examples.

But the wave wasn't endless and they did defeat the boss. The show never indicated there should be any doubt that they would defeat the wave.


The wave is endless if you don't defeat the boss early, the monsters are continuously spawning endlessly. Of course it that wont indicate any doubt because it's just the start of the wave the other heroes are OP that time.

Naofumi doesn't know what to do if another wave hits and they are still undergeared so Naofumi will do anything to earn money but in a right way, but because he pissed the King and doesn't want to support him anymore. So he needs to earn his money and save as much as possible.
Actually the wave has a time limit. But if you do not defeat the wave boss he will be added to the next wave. Or at least this is how I saw it.
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The wave is endless if you don't defeat the boss early, the monsters are continuously spawning endlessly. Of course it that wont indicate any doubt because it's just the start of the wave the other heroes are OP that time.

Naofumi doesn't know what to do if another wave hits and they are still undergeared so Naofumi will do anything to earn money but in a right way, but because he pissed the King and doesn't want to support him anymore. So he needs to earn his money and save as much as possible.
Actually the wave has a time limit. But if you do not defeat the wave boss he will be added to the next wave. Or at least this is how I saw it.


Yep I clearly forgot about but still the spawning of monsters are endless during the countdown and before you defeat the boss.
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SSL443 said:
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The waves aren't even endless. What you can kind of get from the anime is, that if you defeat the boss the wave ends.
And if anyone is interested, here are some more infos on waves, depending on where the anime might end it will be explained at some point (or maybe not).


But on the whole Naofumi thing, I wouldn't even call him desperate (at least not now, only in specific moments later on). He's more pragmatic? At least in the LN it always seemed that way to me. He know he lacks money to get gear, food and literally anything, so he just does what he needs to survive (it seems to me that way, even in the anime). And he is kind of an asshole about it, that's true.
Personally I grew to like his personality, but the anime just can hold anything to the LN in that regard, since it is out of Naofumi's pov and as a reader you just get to know him on a deeper level.

Thanks for the info on the waves, that kind of fits with my impression based on how it was portrayed in the anime; I didn't get any sense of real urgency that they needed to defeat X enemies or risk being overwhelmed. Most of the conflict that episode centered around protecting the village.

Pragmatic is a good word for it. It's definitely true that he is doing whatever it takes to survive, but there isn't a sense that he is hopeless or believes that he won't succeed no matter what he does.

I actually think the next wave should mention some of it. At least if the anime includes it, which it absolutely should, as it is important information.
There also should be more at one point, since


There actually really isn't. I believe in the LN Naofumi is more annoyed about any kind of possible royal interference than he is desperate because of it. He is actually annoyed nearly 24/7 (exaggerating here) about anything in that world.
But since the anime is kind of rushing it fails to convey certain things. And while I still like the anime and the series as a whole, at this point I don't feel comfortable with my given score anymore. But I am maybe going to wait until the next wave and if they screw that up, then I'll have to adjust my score.
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Captain Japan has a book for a shield. That book must be THICC!

Fast Guard? So Big Guard but without M.Barrier?

Well Filo stopped listening and this is what happens. Captain Japan should have paid a visit to Celadon City first to get the Rainbowbadge...

Oh, so the Curse Shield is X Factor. Got it!

Does Filo have poison immunity? And how did it have the reflex to throw up as it was being eaten? That's just weird...

Raphtalia's been cursed, so Captain Japan's going to need to fetch some holy water. This episode showed that he needs Raphtalia with him to keep his sanity whenever he loses control with the Curse Shield...
Feb 28, 2019 12:07 AM

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What this episode was missing is consequences. Every problem was immediately deus-ex-machinaed.



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SSL443 said:

Thanks for the info on the waves, that kind of fits with my impression based on how it was portrayed in the anime; I didn't get any sense of real urgency that they needed to defeat X enemies or risk being overwhelmed. Most of the conflict that episode centered around protecting the village.

Pragmatic is a good word for it. It's definitely true that he is doing whatever it takes to survive, but there isn't a sense that he is hopeless or believes that he won't succeed no matter what he does.

I actually think the next wave should mention some of it. At least if the anime includes it, which it absolutely should, as it is important information.
There also should be more at one point, since


There actually really isn't. I believe in the LN Naofumi is more annoyed about any kind of possible royal interference than he is desperate because of it. He is actually annoyed nearly 24/7 (exaggerating here) about anything in that world.
But since the anime is kind of rushing it fails to convey certain things. And while I still like the anime and the series as a whole, at this point I don't feel comfortable with my given score anymore. But I am maybe going to wait until the next wave and if they screw that up, then I'll have to adjust my score.


I made a mistake for saying desperate in how Naofumi is acting towards to the villagers and I admit that was my bad, for answering the question on what point of the story that he is desperate is the part that he bought a slave to fill that offensive role to his party. At first he is against it because he knows that it will make his reputation more worse, the second he heard the line " Slaves will never betray you" he change his mind immediately prior to what happened to him at the 1st episode.

Also it is endless while the time is on countdown and until you defeat the boss, they just keep spawning and spawing until you meet those requirements.
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Unfortunately, the series is really suffering from bad directing. It really felt they actually put no effort this episode in terms of narrative which made the whole Curse series reveal feeling like a cheap DEM and nothing more than that. They couldn't even portray the character reactions on Filo's "supposed" death in a convincing way and also include the slave seal which would make it look that Naofumi was partially at fault for her "death". Pretty disappointing really. If this keeps up, I will just stick to the LN.
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Unfortunately, the series is really suffering from bad directing. It really felt they actually put no effort this episode in terms of narrative which made the whole Curse series reveal feeling like a cheap DEM and nothing more than that. They couldn't even portray the character reactions on Filo's "supposed" death in a convincing way and also include the slave seal which would make it look that Naofumi was partially at fault for her "death". Pretty disappointing really. If this keeps up, I will just stick to the LN.


I agree with you, I have the same problem regarding their facial expressions, it felt like they didn't care about Filo at all. But that's only problem but in the end I enjoy it and the execution of the Curse series is spectacular but it felt short.
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I made a mistake for saying desperate in how Naofumi is acting towards to the villagers and I admit that was my bad, for answering the question on what point of the story that he is desperate is the part that he bought a slave to fill that offensive role to his party. At first he is against it because he knows that it will make his reputation more worse, the second he heard the line " Slaves will never betray you" he change his mind immediately prior to what happened to him at the 1st episode.

Again, I think you are projecting an interpretation onto the character that isn't actually depicted. Maybe the source material does a better job at that, but as was said above his buying a slave came off as a pragmatic or resigned choice.

I think it would have been more effective if he HAD actually been portrayed as desperate, but they didn't choose to do that.
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It's a zombie dragon not a dragon.
1. They don't get hungry the dragon was reanimated was due to a fragment of dragon core which has the conscious of one of the four sacred beasts Great dragon refused to die in hands of a human.
2. The anime overdid it when it comes to design of zombie dragon. It still has rotten flesh and torn body and no metabolic system to dissolve filo.

So why the hell did it swallow her? If it was to kill her, that makes it even more unlikely that it wouldn't have torn her up.

The Chicken jumped straight into his mouth. Chewing would leave the dragon unable to fight Naofumi and Raphtalia. Have you tried spewing toxic fumes from your mouth while you are munching on a giant chicken? You're more likely to accidentally spit the chicken out (alive) than to swallow your meal.

Besides which fighting adventurers with your mouth full is just rude.
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Is no one worried about the title of the next episode, "Melty"? Hate that bitch.

What's to be worried about? Tragic fates always happen to characters in the episodes bearing their names.
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Wait, what? Who is Melty then?



If a character hasn't been introduced yet, you say NO ONE!

I was looking forward to getting Myne-sama's tragic backstory, or her death next episode. As such is tradition when anime name their episodes after characters.
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Unfortunately, the series is really suffering from bad directing. It really felt they actually put no effort this episode in terms of narrative which made the whole Curse series reveal feeling like a cheap DEM and nothing more than that. They couldn't even portray the character reactions on Filo's "supposed" death in a convincing way and also include the slave seal which would make it look that Naofumi was partially at fault for her "death". Pretty disappointing really. If this keeps up, I will just stick to the LN.
Yes, starting from story telling to visual portrayal of characters is really bad, it affects the lack of emotion, if anyone complains that this episode is bad, then I agree as a reader of novels and manga, I think for those of you who are interested in this series, you should read novels and manga, believe me you will be impressed
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SSL443 said:
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I made a mistake for saying desperate in how Naofumi is acting towards to the villagers and I admit that was my bad, for answering the question on what point of the story that he is desperate is the part that he bought a slave to fill that offensive role to his party. At first he is against it because he knows that it will make his reputation more worse, the second he heard the line " Slaves will never betray you" he change his mind immediately prior to what happened to him at the 1st episode.

Again, I think you are projecting an interpretation onto the character that isn't actually depicted. Maybe the source material does a better job at that, but as was said above his buying a slave came off as a pragmatic or resigned choice.

I think it would have been more effective if he HAD actually been portrayed as desperate, but they didn't choose to do that.


I'm not projecting it. It clearly shows that he lacks offensive capabilities to level up. What's the next thing you can come up when the MC is lacking defensive capabilities?

The show will not spoonfeed all the information to you even if you are an anime only fan. You need to observe how they interact to each other and how the MC thinks with that kind of state.
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Interesting that the problem in this episode was once again caused by one of the other Heroes, which just goes to show that Naofumi is the only one of them so far who seems to be actually taking this world seriously rather than just considering it a video game (although we've not seen enough of the Bow Hero to judge him, really). The Curse Shield was an interesting concept, even if it doesn't fully make sense just yet (but it will surely be explained in due course), but the fakeout with Filo's death was a little bit tacky in all honesty.
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Reptiles swallow their food. Look it up.

It's a dragon in a story, comparisons with biology are invalid.
Actually it is valid. Almost all fantasy animals have a referenced animal in reality as their base. Majority of their traits were based of real animals so for anyone claiming otherwise should really do some research on how these fictional beast were inspired from.
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They CG'd my favorite fat chicken! D: It was so OBVIOUS!!!!! and the dragon too.

Fuck that overgrown zombie Yoshi fucking swallowing up my fat ass chicken and cursing Raph.

LOL at Raph asking if my fat chicken threw up the crystal.

Fuck the sword hero for killing that dragon but not cleaning up the rotting flesh. He's the root cause of all of this. Chicken and raccoon wouldn't have suffered.
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I'm not projecting it. It clearly shows that he lacks offensive capabilities to level up. What's the next thing you can come up when the MC is lacking defensive capabilities?

You are projecting desperation onto a character where none exists because YOU think their situation is desperate, regardless of how the character is actually behaving.

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The show will not spoonfeed all the information to you even if you are an anime only fan. You need to observe how they interact to each other and how the MC thinks with that kind of state.

That's a bit ironic given you clearly aren't doing this yourself.

And enough with putting words in my mouth. I do not want information "spoonfed" to me, I want characterization. Proper use of narrative technique is NOT "spoonfeeding", for crying out loud.

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The Chicken jumped straight into his mouth. Chewing would leave the dragon unable to fight Naofumi and Raphtalia. Have you tried spewing toxic fumes from your mouth while you are munching on a giant chicken? You're more likely to accidentally spit the chicken out (alive) than to swallow your meal.

Janethan23 said:
Actually it is valid. Almost all fantasy animals have a referenced animal in reality as their base. Majority of their traits were based of real animals so for anyone claiming otherwise should really do some research on how these fictional beast were inspired from.

None of this matters. The point is that the bird survived what could easily have been established as a fatal encounter; the point that the other characters believed that it was until the reveal that she survived.
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From the point of view of someone with no knowledge of the manga or webnovel, this episode is quite a dissapointment.

I mean, the build up to Naofumi's Rage Shield was awesome, but the tension suddenly just dropped when Firo was shown to be alive, and is the one who actualy killed the dragon. The true power of Curse Series isn't really shown clearly, ruining all the hype that's been happening for the past week. This episode just lost tension way too quickly.


Exactly what i thought. There was just like two minutes of tension and then all gone.
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SSL443 said:
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I'm not projecting it. It clearly shows that he lacks offensive capabilities to level up. What's the next thing you can come up when the MC is lacking defensive capabilities?

You are projecting desperation onto a character where none exists because YOU think their situation is desperate, regardless of how the character is actually behaving.

Cleckeroo said:
The show will not spoonfeed all the information to you even if you are an anime only fan. You need to observe how they interact to each other and how the MC thinks with that kind of state.

That's a bit ironic given you clearly aren't doing this yourself.

And enough with putting words in my mouth. I do not want information "spoonfed" to me, I want characterization. Proper use of narrative technique is NOT "spoonfeeding", for crying out loud.

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The Chicken jumped straight into his mouth. Chewing would leave the dragon unable to fight Naofumi and Raphtalia. Have you tried spewing toxic fumes from your mouth while you are munching on a giant chicken? You're more likely to accidentally spit the chicken out (alive) than to swallow your meal.

Janethan23 said:
Actually it is valid. Almost all fantasy animals have a referenced animal in reality as their base. Majority of their traits were based of real animals so for anyone claiming otherwise should really do some research on how these fictional beast were inspired from.

None of this matters. The point is that the bird survived what could easily have been established as a fatal encounter; the point that the other characters believed that it was until the reveal that she survived.

This isn't mentioned in the LN this is my perspective as a viewer and reader.

The situation of Naofumi in that part is really hopeless you can't deny that even it isn't mentioned in anime or LN. Buying a slave is a desperate move for Naofumi because he has no choice but to buy if he wants to survive, you always rely on narratives that you ignore the situation of character and what possibilities could happen in the future based on the character's decision.

If you want characterization I recommend you to drop it now. Because I admit that the characterization of this arc is pretty weak.
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I know they do, do you know what they don't do? Other than snakes, they don't swallow something whole that makes their neck/throat bulge out to nearly twice its original size. They also don't catch something that would be a tight fit in their mouth, without biting into it. LOOK IT UP

I am a staunch defender of the series and it's writing, just ask SSL that, but that shit? That shit was stupid as fuck. At least with the LN I could picture the dragon with a huge ass mouth/neck
If your basis is only snakes then you don't have a well informed assessment of how reptiles eat. I studied Zoology before changing majors so I have a good grasp on these things. Iguanas, komodo dragons, alligators, geckos etc swallow their prey if they're smaller than their heads. It's only necessary for them to bite or chew at times if their prey is larger, struggling or they have competing animals that try to steal their food. I can even elaborate on how a reptiles jaw is way different than ours in relation to how elastic they can be to accommodate larger food.
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The cursed part felt edgy because it was poorly executed, which made the rage felt unjustified. The part where he heard Raphtalia's voice and returned to his senses felt rushed. It had no emotional impact on me. Also replacing the letters with numbers was cringe-evoking. Unless this world is a video game and someone was typing to him, I see no reason for it.
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I'm not projecting it. It clearly shows that he lacks offensive capabilities to level up. What's the next thing you can come up when the MC is lacking defensive capabilities?

You are projecting desperation onto a character where none exists because YOU think their situation is desperate, regardless of how the character is actually behaving.

Cleckeroo said:
The show will not spoonfeed all the information to you even if you are an anime only fan. You need to observe how they interact to each other and how the MC thinks with that kind of state.

That's a bit ironic given you clearly aren't doing this yourself.

And enough with putting words in my mouth. I do not want information "spoonfed" to me, I want characterization. Proper use of narrative technique is NOT "spoonfeeding", for crying out loud.

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The Chicken jumped straight into his mouth. Chewing would leave the dragon unable to fight Naofumi and Raphtalia. Have you tried spewing toxic fumes from your mouth while you are munching on a giant chicken? You're more likely to accidentally spit the chicken out (alive) than to swallow your meal.

Janethan23 said:
Actually it is valid. Almost all fantasy animals have a referenced animal in reality as their base. Majority of their traits were based of real animals so for anyone claiming otherwise should really do some research on how these fictional beast were inspired from.

None of this matters. The point is that the bird survived what could easily have been established as a fatal encounter; the point that the other characters believed that it was until the reveal that she survived.


Let's make a truce now because this is getting nowhere, let's just respect each others opinion and how we translate the whole story. Besides this is a 25 episode anime many things can happen in the future episodes.

Also sorry for putting my words in your mouth I didn't meant to do that but yeah I've done it.
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Actually the wave has a time limit. But if you do not defeat the wave boss he will be added to the next wave. Or at least this is how I saw it.


Yep I clearly forgot about but still the spawning of monsters are endless during the countdown and before you defeat the boss.
yes, but I would not say endless. Their spawning speed seems constant for the duration as they have to pass through the portal(s), so they are limited by the size of the portal(s).
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